Medievalist
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回复: 请教Hulè如何翻译
[FONT=微软雅黑]“是与否”：[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]你好！关于第二个问题，我有3点看法：[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]1[/FONT][FONT=微软雅黑]、据我所知，“Speculum est Christus”本身并不是一个完整的表述，更完整的表述有：[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]“...[FONT=微软雅黑]Christus ergo speculum est[/FONT], in quo electionem nostram contemplari convenit, et sine fraude licet” (Instit., III, 24, 5)...[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]“...[FONT=微软雅黑]Christus itaque sit speculum[/FONT], in quo praedestinationem nostram contemplemur. (Conf. Helv. post., 1566, art. 10)"[/FONT]
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[FONT=微软雅黑]2[/FONT][FONT=微软雅黑]、据我理解，上文的大意为：“...Christ is accordingly a mirror, in which He (God) brings together our election to be observed/contemplated, and it is allowed without deceit/fraud”[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]“…Thus Christ would be a mirror, in which we would be observed/beheld in respect to our predestination. ”[/FONT]
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[FONT=微软雅黑]3[/FONT][FONT=微软雅黑]、据我了解，上文中的"electionem nostram“是一个尤为关键的语词，英语或可译为”our election“，中文或可译为”上帝对我们的遴选“。既然是election，那么就有elector，这里，Elector （此时elector要大写) 就是He (God)；既然有Elector，那么就有whoever is elected，这里”whoever is elected”就是man； 既然是election, 那么应该还有the way in which man is elected，这里，”the way“就是Jesus Christ，也即”the Mediator (between God and man)“。需要注意的是，the basis of man’s election is not in man himself, but in Christ and only in Christ。 [/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]“是与否”：[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]你好！关于第二个问题，我有3点看法：[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]1[/FONT][FONT=微软雅黑]、据我所知，“Speculum est Christus”本身并不是一个完整的表述，更完整的表述有：[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]“...[FONT=微软雅黑]Christus ergo speculum est[/FONT], in quo electionem nostram contemplari convenit, et sine fraude licet” (Instit., III, 24, 5)...[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]“...[FONT=微软雅黑]Christus itaque sit speculum[/FONT], in quo praedestinationem nostram contemplemur. (Conf. Helv. post., 1566, art. 10)"[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑] [/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]2[/FONT][FONT=微软雅黑]、据我理解，上文的大意为：“...Christ is accordingly a mirror, in which He (God) brings together our election to be observed/contemplated, and it is allowed without deceit/fraud”[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]“…Thus Christ would be a mirror, in which we would be observed/beheld in respect to our predestination. ”[/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑] [/FONT]
[FONT=微软雅黑]3[/FONT][FONT=微软雅黑]、据我了解，上文中的"electionem nostram“是一个尤为关键的语词，英语或可译为”our election“，中文或可译为”上帝对我们的遴选“。既然是election，那么就有elector，这里，Elector （此时elector要大写) 就是He (God)；既然有Elector，那么就有whoever is elected，这里”whoever is elected”就是man； 既然是election, 那么应该还有the way in which man is elected，这里，”the way“就是Jesus Christ，也即”the Mediator (between God and man)“。需要注意的是，the basis of man’s election is not in man himself, but in Christ and only in Christ。 [/FONT]
phoebusalter
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回复: 请教Hulè如何翻译
@Medievalist:
convenit在这儿是无人称用法：主语是it, 不是He (God).
意即：electionem nostram contemplari这件事儿是合适的。
——又，contemplemur是所谓deponent, 该译成主动：
in whom we may contemplate our predestination.
@楼主：
hulè是希腊字ὕλη, 本意是wood, timber, material. Aristotle以后尤指matter, 或the first matter of the universe. 说primary matter也很好。
@Medievalist:
convenit在这儿是无人称用法：主语是it, 不是He (God).
意即：electionem nostram contemplari这件事儿是合适的。
——又，contemplemur是所谓deponent, 该译成主动：
in whom we may contemplate our predestination.
@楼主：
hulè是希腊字ὕλη, 本意是wood, timber, material. Aristotle以后尤指matter, 或the first matter of the universe. 说primary matter也很好。
Medievalist
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回复: 请教Hulè如何翻译
谢谢楼上朋友的提醒！
我在看到楼主的问话后，就匆忙回话了，结果连deponent这类常识性问题都没注意，实在是不应该。是的，“[FONT=微软雅黑]electionem nostram contemplari [/FONT]”即“to contemplate our election”，而“[FONT=微软雅黑]praedestinationem nostram contemplemur[/FONT]”即“we may/could contemplate our predestination”。
谢谢楼上朋友的提醒！
我在看到楼主的问话后，就匆忙回话了，结果连deponent这类常识性问题都没注意，实在是不应该。是的，“[FONT=微软雅黑]electionem nostram contemplari [/FONT]”即“to contemplate our election”，而“[FONT=微软雅黑]praedestinationem nostram contemplemur[/FONT]”即“we may/could contemplate our predestination”。